LOD-LAM London meetup

July 12, at the Shooting Star pub, 125 Middlesex Street, London, E1

London meetup for people interested in Linked Open Data for Libraries, Archives and Museums (LOD-LAM, or possibly LOD-MLA or LOD-GLAM).  Come and find out how the LOD-LAM workshop went and give your perspective on the discussions. 


The meetup will be held on July 12, at the Shooting Star pub, London.  The Shooting Star is at 125-129 Middlesex Street, London, E1 7JF (very near Liverpool Street Station).  The pub serves food, directions at http://www.fancyapint.com/pubs/pub785.php.


Optional-but-nice RSVP below or at http://lanyrd.com/2011/lodlamlon-july/


To discuss:



Notes from discussion

Mia @mia_out, Richard @richardofsussex, Stephen @ohthatstephen, Matthew @mdovey


Discussion of licensing to enable re-use e.g. event listings.

Is partial release a way for organisations to get comfortable with open data release?


Question: are clear rights for re-use more important than tech bells and whistles? [Answer from twitter: yes!]


Some discussion of the CIDOC-CRM conference in Romania later this year - [Richard] looking at knowledge management; lots of linked data sessions.


The chicken and the egg situation - need to get out of the abstract. [Yes!] 

Turn (online) access into visits.

[Killer app for culture - event listings + visit data (for quiet times to visit) + hit list of top 5 objects/collection level description?]

Matthew described work around activity data (which records are accessed, books borrowed the most) in libraries.


C24/Stephen potential model for working - form relationships, ask how partners will use data. Make the data publicly available to others with a clear licence at the same time...


Discussion of the difficulty in spotting, highlighting the 'hero' objects - the really special ones that'd make someone want to visit - in a mass of collections records for a museum.  Look to library 'activity' model, match visits to objects/cases, or to online popularity?  Highlight the top 5, 10 most interesting objects first in listings?


Attribution and messiness in records (following LOD-LAM Messy data and same-as discussion) -> give up on inferencing but it's important to be able to 'show your workings' and be transparent about how links were made.


In a metadata record, is 'creator' the creator of the object or of the record?  Europeana, CultureGrid records show that it's handled in many different ways across datasets - we need a workable, agreed model for museums.  [On twitter, @ostephens commented 'suspect that Q sums up the difference between library and museum metadata']


Richard: deceptive simplicity of dbpedia model, need for co-contextuality, e.g. variations in population of Berlin over time, applying triples to triples, reification.


Is a good step mapping internal vocabs to external ones as a relatively easy way to link out...

Which led to discussion of the Getty vocabs and whether they'd be suitable; and if they're not ever going to be open, would people use alternative vocabs in future? i.e. is there an opportunity cost in using a licenced vocab if it prevents you from publishing open data, or even just means you have to do more work?


Noted: these days, power lies in organising information, not owning it (e.g. Google doesn't own content, but they own your gateway to it).


Future event?

Date: perhaps in November, around the time of the UK Museums and the Web conference?  (i.e. Nov 24) - does this clash with any other event, or are there other events around that time that would also be bringing people into one location, making logistics and travel easier?  [Request for help with feasibility testing the data - leave a comment/edit if you know of any in the higher ed, library, archive or museum worlds...]


Location: London?


Strands, themes: from the abstract to the concrete; removing obstacles

Possible parallel strands include -


Possible case studies: British Museum linked data, National Gallery, Culture24?  Ask JISC, vendors, W3C?  MySociety, CultureHack?


Audience: heads of department, documentation managers, curators, marketing staff, people who can effect organisational change; not a geek event.